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Automobiles
by JoeP » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:06 pm
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Re: Automobiles
by JoeP » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:08 pm
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Re: Automobiles
by JoeP » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:09 pm
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by JoeP » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:11 pm
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by JoeP » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:14 pm
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by JoeP » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:16 pm
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Re: Automobiles
by kimbottles » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:08 pm
Very nice
(But that can't be an original Daytona Coupe, can it?)
(But that can't be an original Daytona Coupe, can it?)
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Re: Automobiles
by JoeP » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:56 pm
kimbottles wrote:Very nice
(But that can't be an original Daytona Coupe, can it?)
It is part of Pete Brock''s collection so I assume it is real. He was there as guest of honor this year.
Edit: Just looked it up. He and his wife own Superperformance replicas which he has done some mods to. It did look too clean and fair to be original come to think of it.
Edit 2: I guess the 3rd high mounted brake light is what really gives it away. Sheesh...
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Re: Automobiles
by BeauV » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:06 am
Great car porn!!
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Re: Automobiles
by Rob McAlpine » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:38 am
Got any more of the Lola?
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Re: Automobiles
by JoeP » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:48 pm
Rob McAlpine wrote:Got any more of the Lola?
All I have is in the background of this shot.
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Re: Automobiles
by BeauV » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:08 pm
It's really sad that those lovely curved bodies were so BAD aerodynamically. Gigantic lifting bodies! We traded those sensuous curves for the much more effective but brutal look of the Chaparral.
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Re: Automobiles
by Rob McAlpine » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:44 pm
JoeP wrote:Rob McAlpine wrote:Got any more of the Lola?
All I have is in the background of this shot.
Those really are lovely cars, both of them.
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Re: Automobiles
by JoeP » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:37 pm
Rob McAlpine wrote:JoeP wrote:Rob McAlpine wrote:Got any more of the Lola?
All I have is in the background of this shot.
Those really are lovely cars, both of them.
Indeed they are. I do wonder though, how much did Lola copy from Lotus or vice versa? They look nearly identical. I am not well versed in their histories.
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Re: Automobiles
by JoeP » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:42 pm
BeauV wrote:It's really sad that those lovely curved bodies were so BAD aerodynamically. Gigantic lifting bodies! We traded those sensuous curves for the much more effective but brutal look of the Chaparral.
Of course the staning joke was that the 2J sucked.
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Re: Automobiles
by Rob McAlpine » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:18 pm
Careful there feller. Those Chaparrals were built here in Midland by a feller I've met more'n a few times.
He was also probably the first guy to pay real attention to the aerodynamics going on underneath the car. His family were independent oil producers, giving him the wherewithalls to play at auto racing.
Cars, horses and cattle ranches are the socially acceptable ways to blow your money around here. I'm considered sort a local amusement with the sailboat.
He was also probably the first guy to pay real attention to the aerodynamics going on underneath the car. His family were independent oil producers, giving him the wherewithalls to play at auto racing.
Cars, horses and cattle ranches are the socially acceptable ways to blow your money around here. I'm considered sort a local amusement with the sailboat.
Sometimes I sit and think. Other times I just sit.
They talk about my drinking, but never my thirst.
They talk about my drinking, but never my thirst.
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Re: Automobiles
by JoeP » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:41 pm
Rob McAlpine wrote:Careful there feller. Those Chaparrals were built here in Midland by a feller I've met more'n a few times.
He was also probably the first guy to pay real attention to the aerodynamics going on underneath the car. His family were independent oil producers, giving him the wherewithalls to play at auto racing.
Cars, horses and cattle ranches are the socially acceptable ways to blow your money around here. I'm considered sort a local amusement with the sailboat.
Oh, don't get me wrong I think they were fantastic cars with ingenious engineering as do most people I know who are into cars. It "sucked" because that's what it did, sucked itself to the road.
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Re: Automobiles
by BeauV » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:23 pm
The Chapparal was absolutely the first car my old man loved. (He raced a 1954 Austin Healy with a corvette engine in it.)
I grew up seeing them run and adore them. But that snowmobile vacuum suction car is as ugly as a brick. Ran like a rocket, and LOUD!!!! But seriously ugly.
It wasn't that Hall couldn't design a beautiful curvaceous car, he just knew that getting the aerodynamics right was a LOT more important. This one won 22 out of the 39 races it entered.
If memory serves Hall mounted the wing on the rear suspension in his first few cars. That was disallowed by the various rules bodies, and the wing was moved to the body. As a result, the downward pressure of the wing had to be transferred through the springs, making the cars a real problem (to this day) when running at low speeds. They are sprung far too stiffly. Folks have worked around this problem, but Hall had it right the first time. Here's one of his still racing at Laguna Seca race track a few years ago.
I grew up seeing them run and adore them. But that snowmobile vacuum suction car is as ugly as a brick. Ran like a rocket, and LOUD!!!! But seriously ugly.
It wasn't that Hall couldn't design a beautiful curvaceous car, he just knew that getting the aerodynamics right was a LOT more important. This one won 22 out of the 39 races it entered.
If memory serves Hall mounted the wing on the rear suspension in his first few cars. That was disallowed by the various rules bodies, and the wing was moved to the body. As a result, the downward pressure of the wing had to be transferred through the springs, making the cars a real problem (to this day) when running at low speeds. They are sprung far too stiffly. Folks have worked around this problem, but Hall had it right the first time. Here's one of his still racing at Laguna Seca race track a few years ago.
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Re: Automobiles
by Rob McAlpine » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:16 pm
So, I went to the local local museum today.
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Re: Automobiles
by Jamie » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:28 pm
Watch/listen to those Can-Am cars and the Goodwood FoS.
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Re: Automobiles
by BeauV » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:38 pm
Rob, I have been meaning to visit your "local museum" for years. I have to carve out some time to see those cars sitting still!
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Re: Automobiles
by LarryHoward » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:36 am
Jamie wrote:Watch/listen to those Can-Am cars and the Goodwood FoS.
Having mis-spent some of my youth as an SCCA Timing and Scoring and later corner "fire suit" guy in the days of Can-Am, Trans Am and Formula A, I can attest to the beauty of those sounds.
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Re: Automobiles
by Olaf Hart » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:38 pm
Fun day, we have a 2007 VW diesel Multivan, a sort of upmarket Caravelle with leather seats and all the trimmings.
We don't use it much, there is always some issue.
Anyway, when we were away some sort of animal got inside the engine bay and chewed through the coolant hoses. spent the day chasing down leaks and repairing or taping up chewed hoses to figure out how many I have to replace.
Find a leak, fix it, add water, find more leaks, fix ...finally fixed five hoses, so off to the auto shop to buy new hoses and clamps.
VW use those spring things as clamps, PITA but I have a lot of screw clamps in the boat spares box.
Working on this thing reminds me of my Gynae residency, access is not good ...
Time to sell it.
We don't use it much, there is always some issue.
Anyway, when we were away some sort of animal got inside the engine bay and chewed through the coolant hoses. spent the day chasing down leaks and repairing or taping up chewed hoses to figure out how many I have to replace.
Find a leak, fix it, add water, find more leaks, fix ...finally fixed five hoses, so off to the auto shop to buy new hoses and clamps.
VW use those spring things as clamps, PITA but I have a lot of screw clamps in the boat spares box.
Working on this thing reminds me of my Gynae residency, access is not good ...
Time to sell it.
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Re: Automobiles
by Tim Ford » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:46 pm
Just saw this thread. Thanks for posting all those shots, Joe. I had that Lotus (#99) as a matchbox car!
Larry, were you at Marlboro at all?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlboro_Motor_Raceway
I used to go there in the mid-60s with my sister who was a total car freak.
Saw an authentic AC Cobra on the beltway last week, got me thinking about Marlboro and SCCA racing...Marlboro was like a teenage boy masturbatory car fantasy mecca back in the day. Those E jags might have been pieces of crap, but boy did I want one!
Larry, were you at Marlboro at all?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlboro_Motor_Raceway
I used to go there in the mid-60s with my sister who was a total car freak.
Saw an authentic AC Cobra on the beltway last week, got me thinking about Marlboro and SCCA racing...Marlboro was like a teenage boy masturbatory car fantasy mecca back in the day. Those E jags might have been pieces of crap, but boy did I want one!
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Re: Automobiles
by kimbottles » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:45 pm
Tim Ford wrote:Just saw this thread. Thanks for posting all those shots, Joe. I had that Lotus (#99) as a matchbox car!
Larry, were you at Marlboro at all?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlboro_Motor_Raceway
I used to go there in the mid-60s with my sister who was a total car freak.
Saw an authentic AC Cobra on the beltway last week, got me thinking about Marlboro and SCCA racing...Marlboro was like a teenage boy masturbatory car fantasy mecca back in the day. Those E jags might have been pieces of crap, but boy did I want one!
But those Jags have such beautiful engine bays.........
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