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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby H B » Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:46 am

Olaf Hart wrote:No clear guidelines for dry heat, but your question took me through a wierd rabbit hole of recommendations for re sterilisation of reused n95 masks!

Who would have thought?

https://consteril.com/covid-19-pandemic ... r-viruses/


I just went digging thru my epoxy bin, and found a well used N95 mask..It will have to do today when I stock up on supplies at the liquor store! I mostly use it to keep the West System fillers from flying in my lungs when mixing epoxy. I was hoping a I had a couple NIBs in there but I did not. The two used ones I have, I have had so long the elastic straps are melting...lol. I'll spray them with some 91% alcohol and I'll be good. :lol: - edit - oops, I just read OH's post that says repeated alcohol cleaning degrades the masks. :thumbdown:

If necessary, I have my P-100 3M respirator if things get out of control.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Ajax » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:11 am

I have an M40 Field Protective Mask.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_field_protective_mask

I should make a liquor store trip in the HMMWV.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Jamie » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:06 pm

You're going to scare the crap out of people rolling up like that....
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Benno von Humpback » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:13 pm

Ajax wrote:I have an M40 Field Protective Mask.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_field_protective_mask

I should make a liquor store trip in the HMMWV.

Are you going in MOPP 3 or do you have the boots for MOPP 4? Can't be too careful.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Ajax » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:17 pm

Last night, I was describing to my wife the process by which the crew can escape from a submarine grounded and submerged on the ocean floor.

The "free ascent" type of escapce involves a type of PFD called a "Steinke Hood" named after its inventor. You climb into the escape trunk, which serves as an airlock. Connect the hood to a manifold and inflate it. Seal the lower hatch, flood it down, equalize with sea pressure and open the hatch. The Steinke hood is inflated, so you pop out like a cork, shooting towards the surface. You have to shout "Ho-Ho-Ho!" the whole way up to avoid a pulmonary embolism.

Anyway, I Googled it to show her the Steinke Hood and would you believe one was for sale on eBay? It was cheap so I bought it for shits and giggles. It'll be a fun conversation piece when I tell the story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinke_hood

The new model is just ridiculous. Face it, if you're going to the bottom, it's not very likely that you'll be stopping at a point shallow enough that will allow a free ascent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine ... _Equipment
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Benno von Humpback » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:19 pm

Ajax wrote:Last night, I was describing to my wife the process by which the crew can escape from a submarine grounded and submerged on the ocean floor.

The "free ascent" type of escapce involves a type of PFD called a "Steinke Hood" named after its inventor. You climb into the escape trunk, which serves as an airlock. Connect the hood to a manifold and inflate it. Seal the lower hatch, flood it down, equalize with sea pressure and open the hatch. The Steinke hood is inflated, so you pop out like a cork, shooting towards the surface. You have to shout "Ho-Ho-Ho!" the whole way up to avoid a pulmonary embolism.

Anyway, I Googled it to show her the Steinke Hood and would you believe one was for sale on eBay? It was cheap so I bought it for shits and giggles. It'll be a fun conversation piece when I tell the story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinke_hood

The new model is just ridiculous. Face it, if you're going to the bottom, it's not very likely that you'll be stopping at a point shallow enough that will allow a free ascent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine ... _Equipment

The first guy to test that was brave.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Ajax » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:25 pm

When I went through Basic Enlisted Submarine School, we were told that submarines only carried Steinke Hoods to placate Congressmen and mommies.

If we got stuck on the bottom, it would almost certainly be too deep for free ascent and would require a rescue vessel. Even more certainly, if we're headed down, it would exceed "design collapse depth" and they'd be mopping us up with a sponge.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Slick470 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:37 pm

Ajax wrote:... they'd be mopping us up with a sponge.


don't you mean pre-chewed fish food?
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby LarryHoward » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:46 pm

The "free ascent" type of escapce involves a type of PFD called a "Steinke Hood" named after its inventor. You climb into the escape trunk, which serves as an airlock. Connect the hood to a manifold and inflate it. Seal the lower hatch, flood it down, equalize with sea pressure and open the hatch. The Steinke hood is inflated, so you pop out like a cork, shooting towards the surface. You have to shout "Ho-Ho-Ho!" the whole way up to avoid a pulmonary embolism.



I resemble that Ho-Ho-Ho while ascending the tower. Certainly an interesting ride.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Slick470 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:18 pm

LarryHoward wrote:I resemble that Ho-Ho-Ho while ascending the tower. Certainly an interesting ride.

Interesting and unfortunate drama surrounding the Theodore Roosevelt and her Captain and of course a couple typical SA threads. I always appreciate your knowledgeable and calming responses in those types of threads.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Benno von Humpback » Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:58 pm

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LarryHoward wrote:I resemble that Ho-Ho-Ho while ascending the tower. Certainly an interesting ride.

Interesting and unfortunate drama surrounding the Theodore Roosevelt and her Captain and of course a couple typical SA threads. I always appreciate your knowledgeable and calming responses in those types of threads.

I don't read SA anymore, but my take is (1) the captain is a sympathetic character who had to know he was tanking his chance of a flag. (2) The outcome was unsurprising and could have happened any time, but (3) the proper investigation at the command level was short circuited by a political appointee who was, perhaps shrewdly, trying to keep Trump from jumping ugly at one of his horrible briefings, causing a scandal, and further martyring the CAPT. But (4) then he had to go make a ridiculous, angry, speech, get heckled by the crew—an acting Secretary of the Navy being yelled at on a ship(!)—and throw more fuel on the fire. One for the history books.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Slick470 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:22 pm

Eric, I agree with your assessment of the matter. The SA threads are about what you'd expect. A bunch of garbage with moments of clarity. I've been following along for some of the articles that are posted and to read what a few of the posters that I respect have to say.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Jamie » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:24 pm

Maybe people who have served can comment.

Someone said to me that the Capt was correct in looking out for his men first by writing the letter and that the Navy was also correct for binning him for not following the chain of command. His comment was that's just the way the military works and something you need to be prepared for as an officer and that it's hard for civilians to understand how both can be right.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby BeauV » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:04 pm

Benno von Humpback wrote:
Slick470 wrote:
LarryHoward wrote:I resemble that Ho-Ho-Ho while ascending the tower. Certainly an interesting ride.

Interesting and unfortunate drama surrounding the Theodore Roosevelt and her Captain and of course a couple typical SA threads. I always appreciate your knowledgeable and calming responses in those types of threads.

I don't read SA anymore, but my take is (1) the captain is a sympathetic character who had to know he was tanking his chance of a flag. (2) The outcome was unsurprising and could have happened any time, but (3) the proper investigation at the command level was short circuited by a political appointee who was, perhaps shrewdly, trying to keep Trump from jumping ugly at one of his horrible briefings, causing a scandal, and further martyring the CAPT. But (4) then he had to go make a ridiculous, angry, speech, get heckled by the crew—an acting Secretary of the Navy being yelled at on a ship(!)—and throw more fuel on the fire. One for the history books.


Maybe I missed it earlier, but Acting Sec. of the Navy was just forced to resign by the firestorm resulting from his actions.

I agree with what Jamie said, although I am the one male in my family who has never been in the service. Eventually, you have to do what you believe is right, even if it tanks your career. The sailors know this, and they responded exactly the way you'd expect when some political hack comes aboard and insults the guy who just tanked his career on their behalf and is now sick with the disease.

I have never seen a more inappropriate action than this one by the now resigned Sec. of Navy. Amazingly arrogant and tone-deaf. A less arrogant President would learn something from this. This one.... probably not going to happen.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Benno von Humpback » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:48 pm

BeauV wrote:
Maybe I missed it earlier, but Acting Sec. of the Navy was just forced to resign by the firestorm resulting from his actions.

I agree with what Jamie said, although I am the one male in my family who has never been in the service. Eventually, you have to do what you believe is right, even if it tanks your career. The sailors know this, and they responded exactly the way you'd expect when some political hack comes aboard and insults the guy who just tanked his career on their behalf and is now sick with the disease.

I have never seen a more inappropriate action than this one by the now resigned Sec. of Navy. Amazingly arrogant and tone-deaf. A less arrogant President would learn something from this. This one.... probably not going to happen.

Wow, that was fast!
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby LarryHoward » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:49 pm

Slick470 wrote:
LarryHoward wrote:I resemble that Ho-Ho-Ho while ascending the tower. Certainly an interesting ride.

Interesting and unfortunate drama surrounding the Theodore Roosevelt and her Captain and of course a couple typical SA threads. I always appreciate your knowledgeable and calming responses in those types of threads.


Thanks. Getting harder and harder to find any merit in SA. The inmates from PA have escaped and decided that turning every thread into a Trump thread is appropriate. Most of the adults have left the room.

I just refuse to get into the shit fight. If I think I can add something, I will but arguing with SJB, Clean or many others is fruitless so I just don’t play. A very few of the old guard do a fair job of keeping their full on political BS in PA and engage as adults in the other forums but there are fewer all the time.

Beau, Eric,

The resignation does show that if you try hard enough, you can get fired quickly. I suspect the President sees the military as part of his base and an underling that antagonizes the troops that quickly is a liability. Watching the evening “look at me” conference. Waiting to hear how horrible Modly was, how he has been carrying him for some time and how he had to go.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Benno von Humpback » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:22 pm

LarryHoward wrote:
Slick470 wrote:
LarryHoward wrote:I resemble that Ho-Ho-Ho while ascending the tower. Certainly an interesting ride.

Interesting and unfortunate drama surrounding the Theodore Roosevelt and her Captain and of course a couple typical SA threads. I always appreciate your knowledgeable and calming responses in those types of threads.


Thanks. Getting harder and harder to find any merit in SA. The inmates from PA have escaped and decided that turning every thread into a Trump thread is appropriate. Most of the adults have left the room.

I just refuse to get into the shit fight. If I think I can add something, I will but arguing with SJB, Clean or many others is fruitless so I just don’t play. A very few of the old guard do a fair job of keeping their full on political BS in PA and engage as adults in the other forums but there are fewer all the time.

Beau, Eric,

The resignation does show that if you try hard enough, you can get fired quickly. I suspect the President sees the military as part of his base and an underling that antagonizes the troops that quickly is a liability. Watching the evening “look at me” conference. Waiting to hear how horrible Modly was, how he has been carrying him for some time and how he had to go.

I certainly agree and Crozier is just another Chief Gallagher to Trump. Think they'll give him another command now after all that yelling about OPSEC?
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Jamie » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:47 pm

I think in general forums have had a deteriorating signal to noise ratio these couple of weeks with everyone being kept at home. Even the usually sophomoric (because it's largely populated by young male flat-brim vaper STi owners) North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club :D has seen a sharp decline.

The CDC just PM'd me. They want me to forward them ALL of your posts so they can read them to COVID patients and do a study to determine if massive frustration and annoyance of the host victim will help reduce the virus' growth.


I've tried reading Cruisers Forum, Sailnet, Sailboat Owners (Kris has a nice photo thread)...but nothing has stuck. I've still learned the most here and CA.

The corona threads, well like their namesake - keep thwarting quarantine.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Tim Ford » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:28 pm

From a purely self-interested, damn the flat-brim STi owner forum participants, and full speed ahead, think it's a good time to pick up 100 shares of Abbott Labs (ABT) ? Seems like an opportunistic opportunity....where's kdh when I need him? :lol:
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby kimbottles » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:04 pm

I read the SWEDE 55 thread, FRANKIE’s thread, and the WLYDO gentlemen’s powerboat thread.......can’t really stomach most of the others.....

Surprising to me I have met some of the rougher characters in person and they were much nicer in the flesh than on SA/CA.....
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby kdh » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:02 pm

Tim Ford wrote:From a purely self-interested, damn the flat-brim STi owner forum participants, and full speed ahead, think it's a good time to pick up 100 shares of Abbott Labs (ABT) ? Seems like an opportunistic opportunity....where's kdh when I need him? :lol:

Where's kdh? Stuck at home like the rest of you guys.

On ABT. I don't fucking know. Literally the only thing I know about market timing is to buy when everyone else is selling. I was way early this time, but still have some powder in the keg with which to be late. I just buy the index.

Just a cursory read, ABT could get 1.8b/yr from the new test in the context of $30b/yr in annual revenue. Not bad but analysts cite a slowdown in other revenue sources. I'd call it a COVID-19 hedge. I'm generally not enamored of these Peter Lynch style plays. For what it's worth from what I could tell from my stint at Fidelity Peter wasn't either other than as a way to tell stories and write a book. Quants are neutral on it.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby kimbottles » Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:27 pm

kdh wrote:
Tim Ford wrote:From a purely self-interested, damn the flat-brim STi owner forum participants, and full speed ahead, think it's a good time to pick up 100 shares of Abbott Labs (ABT) ? Seems like an opportunistic opportunity....where's kdh when I need him? :lol:

Where's kdh? Stuck at home like the rest of you guys.

On ABT. I don't fucking know. Literally the only thing I know about market timing is to buy when everyone else is selling. I was way early this time, but still have some powder in the keg with which to be late. I just buy the index.

Just a cursory read, ABT could get 1.8b/yr from the new test in the context of $30b/yr in annual revenue. Not bad but analysts cite a slowdown in other revenue sources. I'd call it a COVID-19 hedge. I'm generally not enamored of these Peter Lynch style plays. For what it's worth from what I could tell from my stint at Fidelity Peter wasn't either other than as a way to tell stories and write a book. Quants are neutral on it.


I am with Keith, I only own Index Funds.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby BeauV » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:11 am

I think that the opportunity to buy Abbot Labs was just before the press release came out. The market has already moved on.

For decades I've found that when I look at the market I'm looking at what happened a week, two weeks, or six months ago. Even in my own area of expertise, I could never beat the market. The only time it worked is when I bought private equities which were not available to the "market". Even then folk who knew ZERO about the business or market would show up and bid against me because they heard it was "hot".

Only an idiot tells their competition what they're doing by talking about their deals in public.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Olaf Hart » Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:30 am

A great story from Primary Care Practices in Oz...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/ ... s/12128906
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Charlie » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:23 am

Benno von Humpback wrote:
Ajax wrote:Last night, I was describing to my wife the process by which the crew can escape from a submarine grounded and submerged on the ocean floor.

The "free ascent" type of escapce involves a type of PFD called a "Steinke Hood" named after its inventor. You climb into the escape trunk, which serves as an airlock. Connect the hood to a manifold and inflate it. Seal the lower hatch, flood it down, equalize with sea pressure and open the hatch. The Steinke hood is inflated, so you pop out like a cork, shooting towards the surface. You have to shout "Ho-Ho-Ho!" the whole way up to avoid a pulmonary embolism.

Anyway, I Googled it to show her the Steinke Hood and would you believe one was for sale on eBay? It was cheap so I bought it for shits and giggles. It'll be a fun conversation piece when I tell the story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinke_hood

The new model is just ridiculous. Face it, if you're going to the bottom, it's not very likely that you'll be stopping at a point shallow enough that will allow a free ascent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine ... _Equipment

The first guy to test that was brave.


For anyone looking for a good read, try The Terrible Hours, about the 1939 rescue of the submarine Squalus that sank off New Hampshire. It profiles Charles “Swede” Momsen, who invented the first escape lung and led the rescue.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Ajax » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:13 am

Charlie-

The ship's bell of the Squalus was salvaged and donated to the Fleet Reserve Association, Annapolis branch. It sits in our club house.
Every single month at the member meeting, we honor newly deceased Navy, USCG and Marine Corps veterans by reading their names and tolling the bell.

Our chaplain is a retired Navy guy in his mid-90's. He has this low, gravelly voice that really lends gravity to each meeting's benediction and the bell ceremony. I'm really going to miss him when he passes.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Charlie » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:43 am

Ajax wrote:Charlie-

The ship's bell of the Squalus was salvaged and donated to the Fleet Reserve Association, Annapolis branch. It sits in our club house.
Every single month at the member meeting, we honor newly deceased Navy, USCG and Marine Corps veterans by reading their names and tolling the bell.

Our chaplain is a retired Navy guy in his mid-90's. He has this low, gravelly voice that really lends gravity to each meeting's benediction and the bell ceremony. I'm really going to miss him when he passes.


I can imagine that’s a very moving ceremony. Thanks for sharing, Ajax. Be well.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Tim Ford » Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:08 pm

kimbottles wrote:
kdh wrote:
Tim Ford wrote:From a purely self-interested, damn the flat-brim STi owner forum participants, and full speed ahead, think it's a good time to pick up 100 shares of Abbott Labs (ABT) ? Seems like an opportunistic opportunity....where's kdh when I need him? :lol:

Where's kdh? Stuck at home like the rest of you guys.

On ABT. I don't fucking know. Literally the only thing I know about market timing is to buy when everyone else is selling. I was way early this time, but still have some powder in the keg with which to be late. I just buy the index.

Just a cursory read, ABT could get 1.8b/yr from the new test in the context of $30b/yr in annual revenue. Not bad but analysts cite a slowdown in other revenue sources. I'd call it a COVID-19 hedge. I'm generally not enamored of these Peter Lynch style plays. For what it's worth from what I could tell from my stint at Fidelity Peter wasn't either other than as a way to tell stories and write a book. Quants are neutral on it.


I am with Keith, I only own Index Funds.


Good stuff, thanks fellows.

Funny in that just before the S hit the F, I went to a big event, 500-600 people, with the spousal-unit that's called "BrainsPark", a community event for her school where folks can opt for a wide array of presentations. For grins I attended a session about hedge funds given by a young guy who graduated with my older kid from that-there school.

His was basically about his firm, e.g., sort of a 50 minute advert for his biz. But in the spirit of truth in advertising he presented a lot of data showing how the firm's hedge management had largely under-performed vis a vis the S&P and other index funds over the past 15-20 years (obviously before things went really south - I think the DJA stood at 25.8 that day).

Not sure the V-shaped recovery is in store for everyone...but we can ride this out for while, that's fer sher.
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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby Tigger » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:02 pm

My day now revolves around the daily 3:00 press conference given Dr. Bonnie Henry, the Chief Medical Officer of the Province of BC. Even the sports talk radio stations cover her live, and then devote 1/2 an hour to discussing the medical events of the day. Every little bit of coverage and dissemination of how to stay safe helps.

Here's downtown Vancouver at the height of rush hour (5:30 or so, looking west on Pender from Thurlow) on Monday. You could fire off the proverbial cannon and not hit anyone. It's usually a complete shit show.

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Re: Conoravirus ...

Postby BeauV » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:29 am

If you're not watching "Some Good News" you're missing some of the best media in the world.

[url=HERE WATCH THIS NOW!!!]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5pgG1M_h_U[/url]

This ^^^^ is especially for you Kim!
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