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[LarryHoward]

Interesting

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-co ... ents-study

Certainly is.

[Jamie]

As a daily user of that drug, I was wondering what the impacts might be.

[TheOffice]

CVS and Walgreens are now scheduling shots in Maryland, but only for Group 1 patients. Giant Food should be on-line in the next few days.

There is a dual distribution system, with CVS and others getting their supply direct from the feds, while hospitals and counties get it from the state.

I'm in group 2, still waiting for a time slot.

Joel

[Panope]

My father (82 yrs) received his 2nd shot yesterday. His wife (mid 70's) received her first shot last week.

Scheduling and administration of the shots was strait forward and with very little waiting. Shots were received at the Port Townsend Hospital.

[kimbottles]

We have received numerous reports from family and friends of side effects the day after the second shot; fever, chills, brain fog and fatigue.
We get our second shot Sat. Guess we might not party for Valentine’s Day.
These reports were for Moderna.

[Olaf Hart]

More symptoms after the second shot mean the vaccine is working.

I found the original inhaled steroid study, it’s a community based study, small sample size and stopped early because of COVID quarantine restrictions.

Several of the researchers were receiving funding from the manufacturer.

However, they are confident in the statistical analysis, needs to be replicated but not a difficult study to implement.

[Benno von Humpback]

More symptoms after the second shot mean the vaccine is working.

Yup and older folks are having a distinctly easier time of it, on average. There is also a question about the advisability of using NSAIDS and acetaminophen. I broke down and took some Tylenol after about 12 very unpleasant hours of pain and fever.

[LarryHoward]

More symptoms after the second shot mean the vaccine is working.

Yup and older folks are having a distinctly easier time of it, on average. There is also a question about the advisability of using NSAIDS and acetaminophen. I broke down and took some Tylenol after about 12 very unpleasant hours of pain and fever.

Didn’t you get Moderna?

[Benno von Humpback]

More symptoms after the second shot mean the vaccine is working.

Yup and older folks are having a distinctly easier time of it, on average. There is also a question about the advisability of using NSAIDS and acetaminophen. I broke down and took some Tylenol after about 12 very unpleasant hours of pain and fever.

Didn’t you get Moderna?

Yes.

[LarryHoward]

More symptoms after the second shot mean the vaccine is working.

Yup and older folks are having a distinctly easier time of it, on average. There is also a question about the advisability of using NSAIDS and acetaminophen. I broke down and took some Tylenol after about 12 very unpleasant hours of pain and fever.

Didn’t you get Moderna?

Yes.

I get round 2 of the Pfizer (if the state sends us any) on the 24th. No noticeable reaction the shot 1.

[Benno von Humpback]

More symptoms after the second shot mean the vaccine is working.

Yup and older folks are having a distinctly easier time of it, on average. There is also a question about the advisability of using NSAIDS and acetaminophen. I broke down and took some Tylenol after about 12 very unpleasant hours of pain and fever.

Didn’t you get Moderna?

Yes.

I get round 2 of the Pfizer (if the state sends us any) on the 24th. No noticeable reaction the shot 1.

I had a sore arm with shot 1.

[H B]

More symptoms after the second shot mean the vaccine is working.

Yup and older folks are having a distinctly easier time of it, on average. There is also a question about the advisability of using NSAIDS and acetaminophen. I broke down and took some Tylenol after about 12 very unpleasant hours of pain and fever.

Didn’t you get Moderna?

Yes.

I get round 2 of the Pfizer (if the state sends us any) on the 24th. No noticeable reaction the shot 1.

I had a sore arm with shot 1.

Well..they probably hit the bone since you have ZERO fat on your body.

[Benno von Humpback]

More symptoms after the second shot mean the vaccine is working.

Yup and older folks are having a distinctly easier time of it, on average. There is also a question about the advisability of using NSAIDS and acetaminophen. I broke down and took some Tylenol after about 12 very unpleasant hours of pain and fever.

Didn’t you get Moderna?

Yes.

I get round 2 of the Pfizer (if the state sends us any) on the 24th. No noticeable reaction the shot 1.

I had a sore arm with shot 1.

Well..they probably hit the bone since you have ZERO fat on your body.

She pinched up a fold of something.

[Steele]

Having lots of patients to observe, and both my wife and I having completed the vaccinations, I don't think there is a big difference in side effects between pfizer and moderna. Both seem more likely to have more side effects with the second, and the older you are the less likely to have symptoms. Both have created more arm soreness for longer than any other vaccine in current use. Both of us could not sleep on the side as the shot for several days after shot #2. All told it was not bad enough to miss work for us.

[kdh]

I just got my first Moderna vaccine. No symptoms yet.

Feel lucky to have the opportunity through Ann's volunteering for our town's Medical Reserve Corps.

[SemiSalt]

A friend of mine reported that the VA here in Connecticut, and perhaps everywhere, is, or soon will be, vaccinating any veteran over 50. You need an appointment, an ID, and proof of service.

[H B]

Good news, Semi.

I am patiently waiting my turn. It sounds like the feds are finally ramping up supply...not surprised it took a few weeks since I feel that the previous administration did zero related to vaccine distro for the entire time he was in office and vaccines were available. I think the new admin will easily beat their '100 million does in 100 days' if they can get the supply moving.

[BeauV]

Not directly COVID related, but a positive side effect.

In the US we typically lose 22,000+ people per year to the flu, in 2020 it looks like we lost only just over 1,200. The cause is obvious, lockdown+masks+distancing+staying-home.

Two things stand out: First, how much more contagious COVID is (we had millions of cases while the flu had a few thousand); and, second, that if folks with the flu or who were exposed to flu would just wear a mask they might save thousands of lives.

Article Here

[kimbottles]

Second Moderna shot caused considerable fatigue to me on the second day. Only significant side effect I noticed.

We will see how this third day goes. I am taking FRANCIS across Puget Sound to CSR Marine today. (Foggy this morning of course because I need to cross the Sound.)

[TheOffice]

The same people who don't get a flu shot won't get a covid shot. Darwin was right!

[Olaf Hart]

In the late eighties I was researching legionella, looking at the effects of influenza vaccination on incidence.

It was a difficult study because smokers were much more susceptible to legionella, and much less likely to receive an influenza vaccine.

[Ish]

We might get our first shots in April. Might.
As far as I know, vaccine shipments have been much smaller than expected/promised due to a variety of issues. Trudeau made a conscious decision to source out of Europe because if re-elected, Trump would refuse to ship domestic production out of the country. The joke now is that Biden is doing that exact same thing, so it wasn't a bad decision. However, the reworking of European production and reluctance to ship vaccine out of the EU means we are kinda screwed here.
It's obvious that Canada needs to bring some production capacity home, relying on good neighbours is not a sound strategy.

[Panope]

Ish, I'll trade you a Vaccine shot for a weekend pass to Princess Louisa.

[Tigger]

We're hoping for June. Ish called it with vaccine availability up here ... we need to fork over $$$ to have a production facility ready to be put into action when the need arises. I know, it's not that simple ...

[LarryHoward]

Interesting development here. Vaccines opened to all of phase 1, to include 65 and older, health care and first responders and essential workers. I’ve had both doses of Pfizer. Lynne signed on Saturday afternoon when this week opened up and now, 51 hours later, there about 15 slots remaining open. I have 1 24 yo lady who “wants to wait” but other than that, every one of my local employees signed up. We are at just under 15% of the county vaccinated. Critical occupations (med, first responders) and almost 50% of those over 65 in Maryland have been vaccinated and a strong outreach to under represented demographics (POC, urban poor mostly) with improving stats from 2 weeks ago.

Still too many “I’m not a guinea pig” younger folks but an encouraging number of folks directly challenging them online.

[BeauV]

Larry, I have had a number of conversations with the “Don’t experiment on me” crowd. I have yet to find even one who knows what the percentage of adverse side-effect is. If memory serves, it is 0.0085%. They look a bit co-founder by the numbers, and those numbers are getting better not worse as younger folks are being vaccinated. The absurd denial of veritable data is quite depressing.

[SemiSalt]

Larry, I have had a number of conversations with the “Don’t experiment on me” crowd. I have yet to find even one who knows what the percentage of adverse side-effect is. If memory serves, it is 0.0085%. They look a bit co-founder by the numbers, and those numbers are getting better not worse as younger folks are being vaccinated. The absurd denial of veritable data is quite depressing.

I completely agree but...Questions about the vaccine interfering with other therapies, or other therapies interfering with the vaccine, remain. My wife is insistent that I get an antibody test to be sure my vaccine shots were actually effective.

Pregnant, and would-be pregnant, women have similar concerns. The probabilities are low, but the stakes are high.

[kdh]

Larry, I have had a number of conversations with the “Don’t experiment on me” crowd. I have yet to find even one who knows what the percentage of adverse side-effect is. If memory serves, it is 0.0085%. They look a bit co-founder by the numbers, and those numbers are getting better not worse as younger folks are being vaccinated. The absurd denial of veritable data is quite depressing.

I wonder what "adverse side-effect" means. Ann and I both had arms sore enough that we couldn't lift them over our heads with the first shot and Ann was laid out with a low-grade fever and a bad headache for a day after her second. OM here was similarly affected if I remember correctly. I think younger people (Ann's 53) generally have more side-effect symptoms, and the second shot is worse than the first. I've yet to get my second.

Neither of us regret getting the shot, but the early anecdotal evidence is that it won't be a cakewalk for young people.

[LarryHoward]

Well, I don’t think temporary effects similar to other vaccines (injection site pain, mild fever, fatigue) are reasons not to take a COVID vax. Had a discussion with my Oncologist about that just yesterday. He is pretty dismayed that folks who happily take other vaccines (flu, Shingles, pneumonia, tetanus and others) with mild if unpleasant side effects are so worried about the COVID side effects. He was massively supportive of me getting the Pfizer vax between chemo rounds that are given on a 3 week cycle. He’s also amazed the vaccine resistance is most prevalent in “educated Western countries”.

[Benno von Humpback]

Larry, I have had a number of conversations with the “Don’t experiment on me” crowd. I have yet to find even one who knows what the percentage of adverse side-effect is. If memory serves, it is 0.0085%. They look a bit co-founder by the numbers, and those numbers are getting better not worse as younger folks are being vaccinated. The absurd denial of veritable data is quite depressing.

I wonder what "adverse side-effect" means. Ann and I both had arms sore enough that we couldn't lift them over our heads with the first shot and Ann was laid out with a low-grade fever and a bad headache for a day after her second. OM here was similarly affected if I remember correctly. I think younger people (Ann's 53) generally have more side-effect symptoms, and the second shot is worse than the first. I've yet to get my second.

Neither of us regret getting the shot, but the early anecdotal evidence is that it won't be a cakewalk for young people.

"Adverse side effects" is essentially anything negative reported by anyone.

This is the first time the general public has paid widespread attention to the development and regulatory process for a new medical treatment. Combine that with the current climate of disinformation and paranoia and voilà. However, acceptance is already climbing with all groups except White Republicans (I forget the exact definition in the survey) and I think even they will come around slowly. Hell, even Trump said get vaccinated at CPAC!