Vomiting and dry heaves

[Rob McAlpine]

I tried this new weight loss and abs workout method last night for about 7 hours. It was tough, Puke90X, but I think I lost a little weight and can definitely feel the tightness in the abs.

I don't think this can be an everyday workout, definitely need a rest day after a hard session, but I can see this being a path back to that 6-pack I've been missing since my climbing partner moved away. Thoughts?

[Ish]

Welcome to beautiful downtown Bulimia.

[Orestes Munn]

Brush with baking soda after workouts. The acid is hell on the teeth after a while.

[Slick470]

7 hours? One workout? Whoa.

We have the Insanity workout set of DVDs. Decent returns in the couple weeks we were doing them prior to life getting in the way. LOTS of pushups.

I need to get back into that once I get my basement put back together.

[Britches]

Brush with baking soda after workouts. The acid is hell on the teeth after a while.

Where was this advice a couple months ago!

I hear you Rob - I was doing that routine pretty religiously for about 14 weeks. Was down 12 pounds when I finally got tired of it and fell off the wagon Now, I'm happy to report the abs are going more towards keg than six pack.

[LarryHoward]

Brush with baking soda after workouts. The acid is hell on the teeth after a while.

Where was this advice a couple months ago!

I hear you Rob - I was doing that routine pretty religiously for about 14 weeks. Was down 12 pounds when I finally got tired of it and fell off the wagon Now, I'm happy to report the abs are going more towards keg than six pack.

Wait a minute. I thought you were on the softball-soccer ball-basketball- medicine ball progression.

[Britches]

Wait a minute. I thought you were on the softball-soccer ball-basketball- medicine ball progression.

Yeah, that really is more like it. You know I think they should use the growth tracking in terms of various sports equipment/balls - it would make a whole lot more sense. Everything now is fruits and vegetables. One week its as big as a mango, then it's a banana...one week a cucumber, next week a pineapple. Weird, cucumber to pineapple doesn't seem like a logical growth pattern. Shapeshifter...

[Orestes Munn]

Wait a minute. I thought you were on the softball-soccer ball-basketball- medicine ball progression.

Yeah, that really is more like it. You know I think they should use the growth tracking in terms of various sports equipment/balls - it would make a whole lot more sense. Everything now is fruits and vegetables. One week its as big as a mango, then it's a banana...one week a cucumber, next week a pineapple. Weird, cucumber to pineapple doesn't seem like a logical growth pattern. Shapeshifter...

I hope it morphs into something smoother than a pineapple before it launches.

[Rob McAlpine]

Welcome to beautiful downtown Bulimia.

I think Bulimia's in the Panhandle, near Amarillo. I'm a couple hundred miles south.

I was fine at 8pm. At 9 I was crouching before the porcelain altar, making offerings. I thought everything in my stomach would be enough, but my Goddess presides over an exacting faith. I humbly paid my obeisance until about 4 am, at which point I simply had no further veneration to offer, crawling away, humble and penitent for my obvious inadequacy.

Normally I can't call in sick, I can only call in dead. An hour or so ago I graduated from water to Gatorade. I think I might survive.

[BeauV]

Welcome to beautiful downtown Bulimia.

I think Bulimia's in the Panhandle, near Amarillo. I'm a couple hundred miles south.

I was fine at 8pm. At 9 I was crouching before the porcelain altar, making offerings. I thought everything in my stomach would be enough, but my Goddess presides over an exacting faith. I humbly paid my obeisance until about 4 am, at which point I simply had no further veneration to offer, crawling away, humble and penitent for my obvious inadequacy.

Normally I can't call in sick, I can only call in dead. An hour or so ago I graduated from water to Gatorade. I think I might survive.

Rob, Gatorade has a lot of sugar, that sometimes bugs folks. Try Pedialyte if you can get your hands on some. (most drug stores and groceries have it) It has just the right amount of salt to rebalance you. (Of course, I'm no doctor and the docs on this sight should weigh in). I carry Pedialyte aboard for sea sickness recover.

Glad you're feeling better,

BV

[Orestes Munn]

Welcome to beautiful downtown Bulimia.

I think Bulimia's in the Panhandle, near Amarillo. I'm a couple hundred miles south.

I was fine at 8pm. At 9 I was crouching before the porcelain altar, making offerings. I thought everything in my stomach would be enough, but my Goddess presides over an exacting faith. I humbly paid my obeisance until about 4 am, at which point I simply had no further veneration to offer, crawling away, humble and penitent for my obvious inadequacy.

Normally I can't call in sick, I can only call in dead. An hour or so ago I graduated from water to Gatorade. I think I might survive.

Must be near Scranus.

Sounds like it might be staph food poisoning. Wudjeet yesterday?

As for what to drink, you do need to replace potassium along with sodium after heavy vomiting or diarrhea, as with sweat losses, only more so (you pee it out when you vomit, for reasons on which I am rusty). The uptake mechanism for K is insulin-dependent; hence the sugar and K salts in Gatorade. I haven't checked the pedialyte label lately, but it's probably about the same stuff. K salts taste terrible so it might take more sugar to make them palatable than you really need to aid uptake.

[BeauV]

Good write up here on Pedialyte. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedialyte

Basically, it's 1/2 the sugar, and doesn't use Sucrose because that can increase the diarrhea. Pedialyte has more Sodium and a LOT more Potassium. It's worth reading the above.

BV

[Slick470]

I have found a decent compromise is buy gatorade and thin it with water. Yes it also thins out the other good stuffs, but it still tastes better than pedialyte.

When backpacking we'd buy powdered gatorade and mix in about half the recommended amount. It had the added benefit of covering the slightly funky taste caused by whatever water treatment option you chose. Works great for covering up iodine... polar pure... blech.

[Rob McAlpine]

The pedialyte orange isn't that bad, Beth got me some shortly after Beau posted. I'm sipping both with water chasers. Thanks for the suggestion.

Holy shit I'm beat. Been napping on and off all day, limbs feel leaden, sore everywhere. This workout-religion stuff isn't for pussies.

[slap]

I'm 58, so about a year ago I figured I had better get myself into shape before hitting 60. So I started exercising a few minutes every night. After a few weeks, either a few more reps or another exercise would be added. It now takes about 16 minutes a night to complete my "program". I've also been walking 2 1/2 miles a day. And by watching what I eat, I've dropped over 35 lbs since last March.

[Joli]

Wait till you do the yoga dvd Rob. We use this program but have to work up to it over several weeks. It gets ya in shape.

[Joli]

Wow! That's great.

I'm 58, so about a year ago I figured I had better get myself into shape before hitting 60. So I started exercising a few minutes every night. After a few weeks, either a few more reps or another exercise would be added. It now takes about 16 minutes a night to complete my "program". I've also been walking 2 1/2 miles a day. And by watching what I eat, I've dropped over 35 lbs since last March.

[Soñadora]

starting Feb 1 I get back on the wagon

no more snacky snacks (my biggest weakness) and back to 5-day workouts at the gym in my building. Will be running the marathon again this year.

I'm 49. I'd like to try doing TC marathon for the next 5 years at least.

[BeauV]

Rick, an old friend finally got me a "diet" that works for me. For what it's worth, it's called the "Eat Half" diet. Really quite simple, eat half as much as you normally do. When food arrives, I divide it on the plate and eat half of what's there. Every time I stick to it, I loose a ton of weight and I still get to eat a little bit of what I want. Ya, I know, everyone's got their fav diets. But, "Eat Half" is so frigging simple I can actually do it. I can't stick to or understand all the various Palio, low-carb, low-fat, low-enjoyment diets. Too complicated - just eat half. Beau

[Soñadora]

I like it BV

That goes along with some other advice...it's simple math. Just add up the calories you consume in a day. Sure, there might be more to it, but really if you simply lower your calories, it will have an affect.

On top of that, if you do something to burn calories, you can subtract that from the total. I have lost significant weight 'just doing the math'.

[Orestes Munn]

Eat a piece of fruit and a handful of muesli for breakfast; ride your bike to work, add some miles and a few intervals; eat a handful of nuts and a piece of fruit for lunch; ride home; pig out on veggies, whole grains, legumes, and healthy fats. Done.

[The Red Lady]

For what it is worth, as a certified personal trainer and as someone who has lost an obscene amount of weight, I have always adhered to the keep it simple stoopid approach. As an overweight teen, I was always on some fad diet. It would work for a bit but in the end I would burn out and gain back the weight and then some. I don't do well when I'm told I can't eat certain things, I want my carbs and chocolate thankyouverymuch. I finally found success when I kept a food diary for a year and watched only my fat and calorie intake. I calculated how much I was burning in a day based on my age, weight and activity level and I set a daily goal that I had to stay under. If you eat more than you burn, you will gain weight, eat less than you burn, you loose weight. Obviously what works for one person doesn't work for everyone, but I personally liked the simple method. And I would always allow myself one splurge meal a week.

[SloopJonB]

For what it is worth, as a certified personal trainer and as someone who has lost an obscene amount of weight, I have always adhered to the keep it simple stoopid approach. As an overweight teen, I was always on some fad diet. It would work for a bit but in the end I would burn out and gain back the weight and then some. I don't do well when I'm told I can't eat certain things, I want my carbs and chocolate thankyouverymuch. I finally found success when I kept a food diary for a year and watched only my fat and calorie intake. I calculated how much I was burning in a day based on my age, weight and activity level and I set a daily goal that I had to stay under. If you eat more than you burn, you will gain weight, eat less than you burn, you loose weight. Obviously what works for one person doesn't work for everyone, but I personally liked the simple method. And I would always allow myself one splurge meal a week.

Exactly right. It's a simple process - if you weigh too much, you're eating too much - period.

Ask me how I know.

Some people require very small amounts of food.

[The Red Lady]

For what it is worth, as a certified personal trainer and as someone who has lost an obscene amount of weight, I have always adhered to the keep it simple stoopid approach. As an overweight teen, I was always on some fad diet. It would work for a bit but in the end I would burn out and gain back the weight and then some. I don't do well when I'm told I can't eat certain things, I want my carbs and chocolate thankyouverymuch. I finally found success when I kept a food diary for a year and watched only my fat and calorie intake. I calculated how much I was burning in a day based on my age, weight and activity level and I set a daily goal that I had to stay under. If you eat more than you burn, you will gain weight, eat less than you burn, you loose weight. Obviously what works for one person doesn't work for everyone, but I personally liked the simple method. And I would always allow myself one splurge meal a week.

Exactly right. It's a simple process - if you weigh too much, you're eating too much - period.

Ask me how I know.

Some people require very small amounts of food.

Actually, the funny thing I discovered when I really started being mindful about what I was eating, was how much good food I could actually eat! I ate large portions, but it was all healthy food. That was a game I would play to keep things interesting, how could I make something i really loved to eat healthy enough to fit my guidelines. For example: (disclaimer, I am not a vegetarian!) Instead of a 1/3lb burger made of 80/20 beef and fries for 50+ grams of fat, I could make a 1/2 lb veal burger with a light hamburger bun with fat free sharp cheddar, bushes vegetarian baked beans and a glass of red wine for 6 grams of fat and 500 calories. A year of making substitutions like that and working with a personal trainer, I lost 110 lbs and I've kept it off for six years next month!

[BeauV]

I don't mean to be argumentative at all, but "calories" are not all the same. Calories from carbs (especially refined sugar or starches, like potatoes) are far more fat-causing than protein or fat. We got a tremendous amount of truly terrible advice from various gov and med sources over the last 30 years that said that fat was bad and carbs were good. There is a LOT of evidence that this is exactly backwards. Eating less certainly helps, but eating less carbs and more protine and fat helps even more. It's interesting to consider than humans have only been eating carbs for a tiny percentage of their time on earth, carbs are a very recent addition to our diet, and they're not an improvement.

[Orestes Munn]

I don't mean to be argumentative at all, but "calories" are not all the same. Calories from carbs (especially refined sugar or starches, like potatoes) are far more fat-causing than protein or fat. We got a tremendous amount of truly terrible advice from various gov and med sources over the last 30 years that said that fat was bad and carbs were good. There is a LOT of evidence that this is exactly backwards. Eating less certainly helps, but eating less carbs and more protine and fat helps even more. It's interesting to consider than humans have only been eating carbs for a tiny percentage of their time on earth, carbs are a very recent addition to our diet, and they're not an improvement.

I would change "carbs" to "refined" carbs—fruit, fruit vegetables, and grains are mainly carbohydrate, and point out that fat, per se, includes a lot of stuff that isn't good for you, but it's essentially true, at least until the next revelation, and the medical mainstream was among the last institutions to get the on the beam.

[Tigger]

Actually, the funny thing I discovered when I really started being mindful about what I was eating, was how much good food I could actually eat! I ate large portions, but it was all healthy food. That was a game I would play to keep things interesting, how could I make something i really loved to eat healthy enough to fit my guidelines. For example: (disclaimer, I am not a vegetarian!) Instead of a 1/3lb burger made of 80/20 beef and fries for 50+ grams of fat, I could make a 1/2 lb veal burger with a light hamburger bun with fat free sharp cheddar, bushes vegetarian baked beans and a glass of red wine for 6 grams of fat and 500 calories. A year of making substitutions like that and working with a personal trainer, I lost 110 lbs and I've kept it off for six years next month!

110--Wow! Congratulations. That takes an incredible amount of discipline. Mind you, you did learn to play the horn, and that is not easy either.

I'm impressed.

[Soñadora]

wow! 110lbs?

holy mackerel!

[SloopJonB]

Got any "before" pics?

[floating dutchman]

I've had this theory about peoples weight for years, never had to put it to the test my self and could be utter bullshit but here it is anyway.

Look around at the people you know and their eating habits, Heavier people tend to stick to three meals a day and skinny people tend to graze, How many times has skinny people been asked "how can you eat so much and stay skinny?"
We can play chicken and egg with this all day.

Years ago a couple of mates of mine that weighed in the 90's (kgs) decided to have a race to 100 (young a stupid and often drunk).
One of the things they did to pack in extra calories was to have an extra meal a day, Both lost weight!

Couple of years ago my FD skipper told me he wanted to lose weight, I told him about my unproven theory and a couple of weeks later he told me that he had lost a decent amount of weight. "Have you been eating little and often?" "well, I've been eating often!"

About a year ago I read an article regarding this same concept, one of the things that they said was that if you have lunch at 12 and don't eat until 6 pm you tend to eat a lot at 12 to carry you over, if you body gets used to eating at 3pm as well you have the need for a big lunch and you tend to eat less calories in the course of the day, Same goes for dinner and then having supper, add in morning tea and your eating 6 times a day without the big carry over times so you can eat less.
There was also a comment about your Metabolism speeding up and helping to keep weight down.

I could not imagine having to starve myself to lose weight, but a habit change I could see people sticking with forever and even if its a slow change it doesn't matter because you keep the change of eating habits forever.

Your mileage may vary from person to person.

Jeroen