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Electricity and energy use and pricing

Postby floating dutchman » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:49 am

In NZ the trend is going to smart meters for peoples homes.
Basic principle is that you can watch you power consumption by the 1/2 hour, allowing you to watch your power consumption and reduce excessive usage.
Normally houses in NZ get charged 25c per kWh
We also get charged 20c per kWh for our hot water rate. (normally our hot water cylinders are on a separate meter and the power company can turn heating off via ripple control, we get by law cheaper power for our hot water so that power company's can control peak power usage)
A local start up company has come up with the idea that, because your usage can be monitored every 1/2 hour, (along with wholesale rates) you can be charged along with wholesale rates! the sales point being: Most of the time cheaper power.
So far So Good!
One customer actually told FLICK (the start up company) their power usage history based from their power usage on their existing smart meter and were told that their annual bill would go up by $800.
So, if you cannot shift your power consumption to off peck times, then this is not the power company for you. But you can't fault a company for it's honesty! And most customers so far have apparently got lower power bills.
I remember Mike Wolksys (sp) in GA posting about three BMW mini's running on wholesale power prices at a profit a couple of years back. theory was that cars would discharge unused power a times at high prices and charge at times at low prices. I can not find the link anymore. :(
In Australia and NZ there are power pricing "sell back" plans for people who have solar panels on their house's, buying back, at a lower rate, unused power from their solar panels back to the grid.
Tesla Model S. I'm about to upgrade my my old car but the Tesla is WAY of my price range. Dam cool car though.
The Tesla company also sells a gizmo that you can screw to your wall to offset peck power times.
The technology to buy power at low rates, and sell it back at high rates is here, and within reach of the general home owner, almost, at a cost effective rate, even using your car as storage.

I think that power pricing and electric car's are about to enter an interesting phase of development.\

I also think that Elon Musk is one interesting character. I'm sure he has some sort of undiagnosed disorder that allows him to think outside the box like aspergers or something, much like most of the posters here. (including me). But that's another topic.

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Re: Electricity and energy use and pricing

Postby SemiSalt » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:08 am

Here in Connecticut, and I suppose other places in the US, the is heavy marketing of alternate power companies that promise their power is from "green" sources. The power is delivered through the same wires as the usual utility. Also, you can find alternate companies that say they are cheaper than the big utility. Our US Senator announced a while back that he had signed up for one of these things and had gotten huge bills.

Solar is also being heavily marketed. It's a lot cheaper than it used to be, but I'm not sure the technology is mature enough to make a 25 or 30 year pay back a sure thing. My wife likes the idea, though.

What with one thing and another, energy schemes are one of our leading causes of spam and robo calls.
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Re: Electricity and energy use and pricing

Postby Tucky » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:54 am

There is a future out there that will look a lot different than the present, but I'm not sure our government efforts to promote getting there are effective at all. Witness ethanol in the US or solar crying out for subsidies as being better, while within sight of my apartment is a coal/oil powered power plant idling 24/7 and running on occasion because green energy isn't generated at the time people need energy here in Maine. We distort the cost benefit analysis so much that often we don't get what we need. I'd be happier if research was funded to actually make alternatives cheaper- storing energy whether compressed air, water or some unimagined method is the key to all this stuff.

On my boat with its tiny 4 amp outboard generator, solar and reducing usage has been the way to go.
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Re: Electricity and energy use and pricing

Postby Bull City » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:35 pm

In the U.S., politicians do not appear to be interested in any of this. It is unfortunate because federal leadership, federal investment and realistic national carbon policies are necessary. We're in big trouble already, just ask the Pope.
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