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Postby Soñadora » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:39 am

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Soñadora wrote:it's going to be in the 70s here this weekend. You would think it's the Second Coming the way people are behaving around here. The anticipation of the start of Brainwashing Season is palpable. All the girls in the Iron Range are dusting off their one-pieces.

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Been a cold Spring here, too. 45 F this am. Last weekend it was in the 50s during the day and we decided to wax the gelcoat and go for a ride instead of sail. Maybe hit 66 on Sat, but a dead calm. Sunday looks like the day.

Do Iron Range girls rust over the winter?


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Re: It's so f'ing great to be alive!

Postby bob perry » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:38 pm

Master Zhou my Tai Chi instructor died last night. He was 90 years old. I'll miss him.

Got to stop fpor a moment. Maria Callas is singing "Oh Mio Bambino Carro" and I can't see the keyboard.

Master Zhou was 89 when I began my Tai Chi instruction. He kept a full schedule of Tai Chi classes in my area and he was very, very good at it.
Then he turned 90.
He kept teaching.
Then he fell of his bike.
Then he didn't heal.
Then his daughter, who has a local acupuncture clinic took him to the hospital. He was having a very hard time walking.
He was full of cancer.
He never made it back home.

He would laugh at me when I tried to speak Chinese to him. With the wrong tone "Master Zhou" can be quickly turned into "comfortable Zhou". But he would come over to me and speak Mandarin to me, assuming that I understood. I usually got about 30% of what he was saying but I faked it. He was pretty deaf so it didn't really matter what I said back.

He was a fighter pilot in Mao's Red Army and he had some amazing stories to tell.

Tsai chien Zhou sher foo. Woa whay siung ni.

So I got that going for me and then I find out this morning that George Jones died yesterday. Fack! George had my all time favorite voice.
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Re: It's so f'ing great to be alive!

Postby Britches » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:42 pm

Soñadora wrote:Nah, the vodka keeps 'em well lubricated.

Britches, your ears are ringing...


My ears are ringing? Must be all that vodka ;)

Speaking of the nicer weather Rick, will you be dusting off Sonadora this weekend? There will probably be a lot of folks running around in 1 piece bathing suits. Best to maybe stay away until us iron rangers get some color. Or, at least bring your sunglasses...
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Re: It's so f'ing great to be alive!

Postby Britches » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:52 pm

bob perry wrote:Master Zhou my Tai Chi instructor died last night. He was 90 years old. I'll miss him.

Got to stop fpor a moment. Maria Callas is singing "Oh Mio Bambino Carro" and I can't see the keyboard.

Master Zhou was 89 when I began my Tai Chi instruction. He kept a full schedule of Tai Chi classes in my area and he was very, very good at it.
Then he turned 90.
He kept teaching.
Then he fell of his bike.
Then he didn't heal.
Then his daughter, who has a local acupuncture clinic took him to the hospital. He was having a very hard time walking.
He was full of cancer.
He never made it back home.

He would laugh at me when I tried to speak Chinese to him. With the wrong tone "Master Zhou" can be quickly turned into "comfortable Zhou". But he would come over to me and speak Mandarin to me, assuming that I understood. I usually got about 30% of what he was saying but I faked it. He was pretty deaf so it didn't really matter what I said back.

He was a fighter pilot in Mao's Red Army and he had some amazing stories to tell.

Tsai chien Zhou sher foo. Woa whay siung ni.

So I got that going for me and then I find out this morning that George Jones died yesterday. Fack! George had my all time favorite voice.
Double shitski!


Sorry for your loss Bob, amazing how things can change so quickly. Sounds like he lived an interesting, full life! I hope that one day I'll be 90 and still riding a bike and cabable of teaching a passion of mine. Celebrate his life by enjoying a passion of his. Maybe teach your own Tai Chi tonight. He might get a kick out of it :)
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Postby bob perry » Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:17 pm

Britch:
Very good idea. I think I'll run through the first 24 forms of Tai Chi tonight in honor of master Zhou.
For the past two months I have been the only student in the dojo. Kind of nice. Things will pick up now the weather is improving.

He told some amazing stories from when he was in the Red Army. He was going through pilot training and one of the officers had the idea that the cadets should all learn to ride horses. But no one knew anything about riding horses. That ended up with Master Zhou in the hospital for a long recovery. When they are gone you think of all the questions you wanted to ask.
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Postby kdh » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:28 pm

Iron Range girls. This is what comes to mind. Their one-pieces are not far away.

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Postby kdh » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:33 pm

I've fallen off a horse a few times. Typically, in that the horse moves sideways and you stay where you are and drop to the ground. Ann and Adele both have a good "seat," as it's called. They somehow stay on when that happens.

It's important not to get dragged or stepped on.
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Postby cap10ed » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:25 pm

bob perry wrote:Master Zhou my Tai Chi instructor died last night. He was 90 years old. I'll miss him.

Got to stop fpor a moment. Maria Callas is singing "Oh Mio Bambino Carro" and I can't see the keyboard.

Master Zhou was 89 when I began my Tai Chi instruction. He kept a full schedule of Tai Chi classes in my area and he was very, very good at it.
Then he turned 90.
He kept teaching.
Then he fell of his bike.
Then he didn't heal.
Then his daughter, who has a local acupuncture clinic took him to the hospital. He was having a very hard time walking.
He was full of cancer.
He never made it back home.

He would laugh at me when I tried to speak Chinese to him. With the wrong tone "Master Zhou" can be quickly turned into "comfortable Zhou". But he would come over to me and speak Mandarin to me, assuming that I understood. I usually got about 30% of what he was saying but I faked it. He was pretty deaf so it didn't really matter what I said back.

He was a fighter pilot in Mao's Red Army and he had some amazing stories to tell.

Tsai chien Zhou sher foo. Woa whay siung ni.

So I got that going for me and then I find out this morning that George Jones died yesterday. Fack! George had my all time favorite voice.
Double shitski!
Sorry about you losing your teacher Bob. He reminds me of my father.Hard working right to the end. Stan my 94 year father (ex-RAF pilot) lives with us and we share chores and the dog walk together.Walking the dog is a special time for us. He has worked hard his whole life and even at his age wants to lend a hand with the neighbors garden work . She is in her seventies.I love that generation . Selfless and always wanting to help others rather than themselves. His life’s lessons have rubbed off on his children and we are better for it. Tip of the hat to your teacher.
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Postby Orestes Munn » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:06 pm

Sorry to hear, Bob. I hope you've internalized enough of the old guy to be your own teacher, at least until you find another one,
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Re: It's so f'ing great to be alive!

Postby bob perry » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:47 pm

Eric:
I have his vids so I can still here his voice with his strong Chinese accent, "Part the mustang's mane" I'll try to use your suggestion. I like it.

Ed:
are you telling me you go on walks with your 94 year old father!???
I can't imagine the feeling that must bring.

I'll have to think on that for a bit.

But I think I would like to think what it would be like for me to be even 74 years old and go for a walk with Spike.
It's not going to happen. I will never see him age.

You are so, so lucky. Say hello to your Dad from me please.
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Postby Orestes Munn » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:12 am

Pant the poney's name. Uh huh.
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Postby cap10ed » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:00 am

bob perry wrote:Eric:
I have his vids so I can still here his voice with his strong Chinese accent, "Part the mustang's mane" I'll try to use your suggestion. I like it.

Ed:
are you telling me you go on walks with your 94 year old father!???
I can't imagine the feeling that must bring.

I'll have to think on that for a bit.

But I think I would like to think what it would be like for me to be even 74 years old and go for a walk with Spike.
It's not going to happen. I will never see him age.

You are so, so lucky. Say hello to your Dad from me please.
My father knows about your family’s loss Bob. He knows the heart ache and the look on his face says it all. He has no friends left alive now. So we have found new friends that surround him.The dog and him are best buds and with the good weather we get out more for walks in a really great park. Short clip of a survivor Stanley. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdtIuukIY8
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Postby floating dutchman » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:46 am

Mmm, grizzle grizzle, Got stuck with doing "shift" on Friday night, lucky for me I got the 3:30pm till midnight shift changed to 2:30 till 11pm, cool doesn't muck up the weekend too much.
Shit hits fan and it's getting light on my way home (7am). Is sitting down having an after work beer while my son is eating breakfast bad?
Well that's stuffed up my weekend.
Never put you hand up for shift work, I'm doing next week (3:30 till 2am unless the shit hits the fan again), I consider it waisted weeks when I work these hours (not often), Yea I get paid well for it, But I still consider it wasted weeks.
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Postby Orestes Munn » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:32 am

floating dutchman wrote:Money doesn't buy family time.

I hear you, Bro. I have made a few career decisions to trade both fame and fortune for time and freedom.
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Postby bob perry » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:37 pm

Ed:
Great video. Your Dad's a walking history lesson. Hard to imagine what he went through during the war and now he retells it with a smile.
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Postby cap10ed » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:30 pm

bob perry wrote:Ed:
Great video. Your Dad's a walking history lesson. Hard to imagine what he went through during the war and now he retells it with a smile.
Say hello to him for me.
I will Bob. He is modest and will appreciate your kind words.Ed
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Postby bob perry » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:13 pm

Ed:
I'd like to get him to go into some of the details of some of those life's chapters. Sleeping in a hole in the dirt wih branches over you and your Dad says it like "Oh sure, everybody did it. No big deal."
He seems to be a bit nonchalont about all the hardships until he gets to Durbin. That's when the true impact of what he had gomne through for so long hit me.
Not sure they even make tough guys like that anymore.
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Postby Orestes Munn » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:22 pm

Impressive, Ed, Great that you have that amazing record.

Here's mine: German refugee, soldier, family man, scientist, teacher, dog lover, eccentric. I miss him a lot.

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Postby cap10ed » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:14 pm

Orestes Munn wrote:Impressive, Ed, Great that you have that amazing record.

Here's mine: German refugee, soldier, family man, scientist, teacher, dog lover, eccentric. I miss him a lot.

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Those are haunting images. Sepia does that to photo’s. Handsome dude. As a child I thought everyone from that era were movie stars. Big hair,big lapels,big fedora and big characters. Did you post a pic of your mom in that jeep?
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Postby Orestes Munn » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:30 pm

Wow, yes. Good memory! Honeymoon in Haití, 1955 or so. Maybe our old pics will look haunting and romantic to our kids. I don't know,
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Re: It's so f'ing great to be alive!

Postby Rob McAlpine » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:15 pm

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floating dutchman wrote:Money doesn't buy family time.

I hear you, Bro. I have made a few career decisions to trade both fame and fortune for time and freedom.


Why would anyone want fame? I've often wondered who in their right mind would choose to be rich and famous rather than rich and anonymous?
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Postby kimbottles » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:47 pm

Rob McAlpine wrote:
Orestes Munn wrote:
floating dutchman wrote:Money doesn't buy family time.

I hear you, Bro. I have made a few career decisions to trade both fame and fortune for time and freedom.


Why would anyone want fame? I've often wondered who in their right mind would choose to be rich and famous rather than rich and anonymous?


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Postby bob perry » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:42 pm

Eric:
He was a very handsome man.
I wish I had the opportunity to sit down with him and ask him a few questions.
I wish I had my Dad back to ask a few questions. We grew up being told not to talk about "the war". So we didn't. But my ssiter and I found Dad's photographs. Dead Japs in piles. Dad standing there kind of smiling. Kind of.
Yu can't imagine aht these old guys saw. Thinl of Ed's Dad.

We have some treasures Eric.
I miss him too and he wan't even mine.
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Postby Lin » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:25 pm

Yes, it is very good to be alive.
Ed, those are incredible stories your Dad has lived to tell. I have a sense that your Dad is a very kind, caring, hard working and positive minded person. What a wonderful keepsake that video is. It is hard to see our elderly parents outlive and lose their spouses, siblings and good friends. May your Dad enjoy the comfort and company of his dog, new friends and family for some time.

No matter what we lose or suffer through during our lives, there is always much goodness in every day for which we can be grateful. One can use the loss of a loved one, a limb or a marriage as an excuse to wallow in self pity and destructive behaviours. Or, one can choose to see it as an opportunity to build new dreams, learn from and become stronger and more empathetic. Usually, people who are positive minded, kind and appreciative were that way before a challenging life event. Those who are angry, self pitying and negative were that way before a challenging life event.

I recall reading stories of how some of the parents coped after their children were killed in Sandy Hook shooting. I was so moved by the attitude of some of the parents toward life, what family love meant to them and how it was expressed. I knew that no matter how short the lives of their sweet children were, those kids were very well loved in their short lives by parents who were extremely caring, positive minded and nurturing. This is also true of some of the victims in the recent bombing in Boston. Tears are shed, terrible pain and loss suffered, but the resolve of some of them to remain positive, giving and make the most of out their lives, is inspiring and humbling.

Depression is basically self pity, which occurs as a result of obsessive thoughts about oneself. One needs to create a zero tolerance policy with oneself, and choose gratitude over self pity. It's tough to change thinking habits, but it's very possible, especially with the support of good friends. Attitude is a choice.

The people who inspire me, have chosen to take a painful or difficult circumstance in life and turn into a positive tool to increase self awareness, spiritual growth and a way to help others. Heroes are not sports stars, rock stars and actors. They are people who have overcome hardship and adversity and can still easily find a reason to smile and are quick to look to others with a helping hand and hope.

I meet people who inspire me every week, and they remind me of how fortunate I truly am.

Life is as wonderful and as amazing as we choose to see it.
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Postby Orestes Munn » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:21 am

Rob McAlpine wrote:
Orestes Munn wrote:
floating dutchman wrote:Money doesn't buy family time.

I hear you, Bro. I have made a few career decisions to trade both fame and fortune for time and freedom.


Why would anyone want fame? I've often wondered who in their right mind would choose to be rich and famous rather than rich and anonymous?

Well, we're talking about pretty limited fame and fortune in my case.
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Postby bob perry » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:46 am

It takes all kinds.
Why would anyone want to be rich and judgmental?

Lin: I think some of your views on depression are a bit narrow. Sometimes the focal point of depression is not yourself. It's someone else.
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Postby Orestes Munn » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:39 pm

bob perry wrote:It takes all kinds.
Why would anyone want to be rich and judgmental?

Lin: I think some of your views on depression are a bit narrow. Sometimes the focal point of depression is not yourself. It's someone else.

Beats the crap out of poor and judgmental. For people like me, depression is just genes interacting with environment.
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Postby Olaf Hart » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:10 pm

Lin, there are two sorts of depression.
Reactive depression, usually related to a significant loss, which responds to time and support.
Biochemical depression, which we understand is a chemical problem related to problems with neurotransmitters in the midbrain, such as serotonin.
Many people with this use high levels of self control, and /or exercise, to help manage the condition.
When they came for help, it was usually because the self control was no longer enough, and they felt themselves slipping into a black hole. They needed chemical, as well as CBT help.
In a clinical sense, most presentations are a mixed picture, a manageable biochemical depression aggravated by a series of losses or life changes.
Whilst I personally understand the HTFU approach to depression in managing a mild chemical condition, it isn't the whole story.
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Postby Orestes Munn » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:57 pm

Olaf Hart wrote:Lin, there are two sorts of depression.
Reactive depression, usually related to a significant loss, which responds to time and support.
Biochemical depression, which we understand is a chemical problem related to problems with neurotransmitters in the midbrain, such as serotonin.
Many people with this use high levels of self control, and /or exercise, to help manage the condition.
When they came for help, it was usually because the self control was no longer enough, and they felt themselves slipping into a black hole. They needed chemical, as well as CBT help.
In a clinical sense, most presentations are a mixed picture, a manageable biochemical depression aggravated by a series of losses or life changes.
Whilst I personally understand the HTFU approach to depression in managing a mild chemical condition, it isn't the whole story.

I think there's quite a continuum between people whose mood-o-stats are set at miserable, people whose mood regulation gets permanently messed up by early experience, and happy people reacting to loss for a few months. Hear, hear for exercise and CBT! Exercise and annoying my loved ones is how I've always managed my gloom, although I've come close to asking for meds.
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Postby Lin » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:08 pm

Olaf Hart wrote:Lin, there are two sorts of depression.
Reactive depression, usually related to a significant loss, which responds to time and support.
Biochemical depression, which we understand is a chemical problem related to problems with neurotransmitters in the midbrain, such as serotonin.
Many people with this use high levels of self control, and /or exercise, to help manage the condition.
When they came for help, it was usually because the self control was no longer enough, and they felt themselves slipping into a black hole. They needed chemical, as well as CBT help.
In a clinical sense, most presentations are a mixed picture, a manageable biochemical depression aggravated by a series of losses or life changes.
Whilst I personally understand the HTFU approach to depression in managing a mild chemical condition, it isn't the whole story.

Olaf, I appreciate your reply, especially as you have provided thoughtful and informed input. Thanks. Having worked with hundreds of people who suffer from depression over the past 30 years and having it affect family, co-workers and friends, I have done an immense amount of reading about it, in order to understand and empathize.
My post was a bit succinct, almost abrupt, and I regret that. I am a strong believer in CBT - which is congintive behavioral therapy for those unfamiliar; and chemical treatment if some improvement needs to happen faster. There really needs to be more open dialogue and acceptance to talk about it. There still exists a certain amount of stigma, especially among the Asian and over 60 age group populations.

I do believe that the length and degree of reactional depression is strongly related to one's attidue before a loss or stressor occurs. My point was more about one's attitude and self talk.

What I find especially disheartening and difficult is substance abuse that worsens the depression. The denial aspect can be very frustrating when trying to help someone who is struggling. Addressing it can break ties and friendships, in a heartbeat. The sufferer often seeks the company of enablers, which compounds the problem.

Orestes - +1 I just read your reply. I strongly agree that exercise and CBT help immensely. I too suffered from a bout of depression a long time ago (basically reactional) when trying to conceive, without success, for a number of years. Likely the fertility drugs contributed to some degree. Eventually, I became very motivated to not feel sorry for myself any longer and found some excellent resources. This is not something I am unfamiliar with.
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